Can Bush go to WAR (61 views) Subscribe   
  From:  123four   8/26/2002 12:24 pm  
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Bush is now saying, I heard on the news, that He does not have to have Congress vote to go to war, but can slide in using what his dad used in the Desert Storm War. 
Wondering how the people in U.S. going to feel about this if Bush does do that?
 
  
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  From:  Kowgal   8/26/2002 1:14 pm  
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My husband has said that he doesn't believe it's going to happen. At least not until we get some support somewhere. We have no political support for going to war with Iraq. The Saudi's are against it and most of the US is against it. Unless Pres. Bush gets some support for it soon I don't think it's in his best interest to persue it. 
My hubby should know he's got the desert camo, hanging in the closet ready to go, if he's called. 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/26/2002 7:36 pm  
To:  Kowgal   (3 of 17)  
 
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Hi Kowgal,

 

We are honored to have men like your husband and families like yours who are strong enough to give so much to the defense and protection of our great nation.

 

Either way you and your family are in our prayers.

 

God Bless you,

David



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  From:  Kowgal   8/26/2002 7:39 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 17)  
 
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We do need prayers. I'm not really scared about the possibility of my husband going to war. God has taken care of us so far and with as many prayers that go up daily for my husband specifically I don't think that God's going to forget us.  
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/26/2002 8:03 pm  
To:  123four   (5 of 17)  
 
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Hi 123four,

 

Great Post!

 

My personal thought is that we will overthrow the Government of Iraq by means of military force and probably sooner than later.

 

I say it based on all of the build up and preparation that is going into place for such an event. It seems unlikely that after such a big build up that they havent already decided months ago to actually do it.

 

Also Iraq is very important Biblically as the Modern day Iraq is the Babylon which the Bible has so much to say about especially in the End Time Book of Revelation.

 

According to the Bible (Revelation 18) Babylon (Iraq) is the future World Trade Center that later is destroyed in one hour. I think that we have barely begun to see Iraq in the news.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  123four   8/26/2002 9:05 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (6 of 17)  
 
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ANd we have to see Ezekial 37 and 38 come to pass as well. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/27/2002 8:11 am  
To:  123four   (7 of 17)  
 
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Hi 123four,

 

Yes, we are literally entering into the midst of time where Much End Time Bible Prophecy is about to be fulfilled!

 

Ezekiel Chapters 38-39 Tells of a future battle where Many Nations Gather to Fight against the Nation of Israel. Unfortunatlly not an unlikely event in todays Anti-Israel world.

 

The Battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is also Important because it seems to be the event that Marks the End of the Church age and the conclusion of the Jewish Times. Let me Explain. In Abraham God set apart the Jews to be His People and to give them Special Attention in a Relationship with Himself. God is Always available for a relationship with anyone who Calls upon His Name, However He does Reveal Himself to Certain Groups of People at Certain Times and Early on God Revealed Himself to the Jews Who were Faithful to write down Gods Revelation and Now we have their writings as our Bible. Starting with the Resurrection of Jesus and the Church Age, we are in what the Bible calls The Times of the Gentiles where God is Mostly focusing on the Gentiles for a personal relationship. However it is very Important to note the Jews are and Always will be Gods Children, it is just that we Gentiles are in a more intimate fellowship with God right now.

 

At some event, Possibly even Likely Ezekiel 38-39 the Church age ends as God Raptures the Church to Himself in Heaven and God continues to bring the Jews into a closer more personal relationship with Himself. This time of Jewish closeness to God is a Seven year time frame which the Old Testament Prophet Daniel Spoke about in the Book of Daniel chapter 9:20-27.

Daniel tells about 70, time periods each Seven years long. The 69th time period ended about the time of the Crucifixion of Jesus, Daniel 9:26. The Final 70th time period is yet to be completed and it is likely the Same Seven year time period that Much of the Book of Revelation is about.

 

God Bless You,

David



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From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/27/2002 8:57 am  
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Here is my synopsis of the possible way the near future events might unfold.

 

1.) The U.S. will successfully go to war with Iraq, probably with a Severe Bombing Campaign followed by a ground Campaign resulting in the total defeat of Iraq. This will have several implications.

 

a. The Newly installed Iraq/Babylon government will be Very Globally and Internationally minded verses the Isolation policies of  Saddam Hussein.

 

b. The U.S. and Governments of the world will pour massive amounts of Money, and Technology into the rubble strewn Iraq and combined with the Substantial Iraq Oil Revenues will rebuild Iraq into the Worlds most Modern  formidable Trade Center. Much like Japan and Germany were rebuilt after WWII.

 

c. Iraq will become the New World Trade Center Replacing the USA/New York as the previous world trade center. Even more likely since the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings in N.Y..

 

e. More Importantly Iraq/Babylon will Biblically become the New World Religion. Iraq being a Trade Center is Really just a side Note the Real and Main Purpose of Babylon has Always been and will always be the center of False Religion.

 

f. It is entirely Likely that the U.S. will Defeat Iraq on the battlefield and then the U.S., Politically and Socially, will become a Muslim Nation.

 

g. Biblically Iraq/Babylon is the End Time Worldly Religion and currently the religion of Iraq is Muslim.

 

 2.) During or near these events the Events of Ezekiel 38-39 will unfold and Israel will be massively attacked to the point that Israel is nearly destroyed and God Himself will step in and Miraculous save Israel from destruction.

 

a. This will lead to the Rapture of the Church as God is now Sanctifying the Jewish People and the Church age has ended.

 

b. Israel will be a Very Strong Nation after this war and it is from this position of strength among the Nations that Israel will Rebuild their new Temple on the Temple Mount (Mt. Moriah), the same Mount where Jesus was Crucified, and near to but not replacing the Muslim Temple also currently on the temple Mount.

 

3.) The Nations of the world will condense into Ten Regions, according to Daniel 7:20.

 

a. The region Leaders will have Complete Authority over the people. Movement, Livelihood, Finances and Freedoms will be greatly reduced.

 

b. These will be oppressive regional governments that heavily tax and regulate the freedoms of the people.

 

c. It is from one of these Ten Global Nation Regions that the Anti-Christ eventually emerges to become the one World Leader Daniel 7:21.

 

4.) These events will usher in the continuance of the Bibles End Time events talked about in both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.

 

Theses are Just some Considerations, but note that at all times and in all places we need to be reading ourselves to meet Jesus face to face either by His coming to us in the Rapture or by our going to Him in our own death.

 

God Bless You,

David



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From:  123four   8/27/2002 11:03 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 17)  
 
  427.9 in reply to 427.8  
 
oh very good. Have to review a little later. 
Wanted to add 
http://www.foryourglory.org/newsletter/Jacob%27s%20Trouble.htm 

27 rabbis in Israel have made national proclamation that they are now in THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE. This is very interesting as most scholars beieve Jacob's troubled time is the Tribulation.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/28/2002 9:50 am  
To:  123four   (10 of 17)  
 
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Hi 123four,

 

Thank you for posting the link, it is an Excellent article!

 

The Bible does maintain times of trouble (tribulation) and then the Great Tribulation which is specifically the last 3  years of the seven years of Revelation. What is unique about the Last 3  years of Revelation is it is the time when Satan is cast out of Heaven (Revelation 12:7-9) and he comes to make war on earth with the Saints, knowing that his time is short. It is in this time that the Jews are told to flee from Jerusalem to Petra for safety (Matthew 24:15-22, Revelation 12:13-14). It is this last 3  years that are also considered the specific Time of Jacobs Trouble but acknowledging that there are many, virtually continuous times of Trouble for the Jew, mainly because of the disobedience of the gentile towards God and towards the people of God, the Jews. It is not Gods plan for the Jew to be treated badly by the world and in the end God is going to reward the Jews double (Isaiah 40:1-2, Isaiah 61:6-7) for all of the suffering that they have had to endure from the other nations.

 

I dont think it is possible that we can currently, while the Church is here, be in the Seven Year Revelation time period right now because that is a time when God has Sanctified the Jews it is a Jewish time and currently we are in a Church and Gentile time. The two are Mutually exclusive, there is not a time of the Jew and a time of the Gentile simultaneously, God is dealing as a group with either the one or the other.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Ivy (magickalmeli)    9/10/2002 1:52 pm  
To:  123four   (11 of 17)  
 
  427.11 in reply to 427.1  
 
I clicked the promo, and here I am! :)

Some people are VERY gung-ho about going to war. I'm surprised. No, Bush doesn't need Congressional approval to deploy troops, he only needs approval to "declare war." And the last war DECLARED was WWII. Vietnam wasn't even a declared war. 

I have yet to read the entire Bible, so I don't know much about prophesies, so I can't contribute there. I just think that this is one of the stupidest ideas Bush has had. Thanks, for letting me chime in. :)




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  From:  123four   9/10/2002 6:34 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (12 of 17)  
 
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I heard someone say recently - a person who studies on the endtimes, 
that if you draw a line from Iraq....a straight line..that you go thru Russia (this is to the North)....and if u keep going with that straight line, u end up in Georgia, USA. HMMMM Maybe the line to the north was beginning at Israel. Can't remember now. Maybe someone can tell me.It was Grant Jeffreys who said that. I don't like much to mention a minister who is ever on Tv, as in general people now days don't like preachers who get on tv. lol lol But, anyway, that's who said it. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/10/2002 8:17 pm  
To:  123four   (13 of 17)  
 
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Hi 123four,

 

Thanks for the info.

 

Grant Jeffrey is an Excellent resource. I have some links to his material on some other postings Ill quickly find a link and post it on this post.

 

He is one of the best at understanding and explaining the Bible particularly Prophecy. Anything that he says I defiantly give close attention to.

 

It must be referring to Ezekiel chapter 38 that Russia is one of the armies that attacks Israel.

 

With the modern rapid deployment militaries, Russia or most any other country can start or join into a conflict almost at will so just because we dont hear about them on the news doesnt mean that they wont show up.

 

One thing is certain all Bible prophecies will be fulfilled and fulfilled to the letter. God has complete knowledge and He can write about future events just as easily as He can write about past or present events.

 

http://www.grantjeffrey.com/

 

God Bless you,

David



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  From:  123four   9/10/2002 11:30 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (14 of 17)  
 
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Yes, but that line to the north also went right to Savannah, Ga, USA!! 
Yes, Grant Jeffreys seems to put it 'all together' and I really do learn from him.  
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/11/2002 7:44 am  
To:  123four   (15 of 17)  
 
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It looks like Savannah is going to have to start getting mobilized LoL!

 

Just kidding!

 

Im not sure what he means by extending the northern line all the way to the U.S.A. but it is an interesting line.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  123four   9/11/2002 7:47 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (16 of 17)  
 
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from the starting point (and I couldn't remember where it started, Israel? Anyway, straight north goes thru Russia and to Georgia. Unless I heard him wrong. I sat straight up when he said Ga. 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/14/2003 5:37 pm  
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Here are two update posts that were posted via. the Basic Christian Newsletter and Web Site  that belong on this topic.



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Posted April 9, 2003

As the Brilliant Military action in Iraq begins to wind down and we anticipate the return home of our loved ones and continue to mourn the loss of our fallen fellow Americans, as Christians let's continue to keep an eye on the Political matters of Iraq as already Israel is being asked to make concessions to their Palestinian enemies. why? Because Iraq was a danger to the world so now Israel has to pay. This is the kind of double talk politics that no Nation needs not Iraq not Israel not England and certainly not America.


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Posted April 14, 2003

Rioting and Looting, suicide bombers, mobs of unrest in Baghdad and throughout Iraq. Where is all of this going? I suspect that the nation of Iraq is about to become a social engineering conquest. It could be possible that the nation of Iraq is going to undergo the kind of social engineering that many people have wanted to do here in America for a long time. This includes categorizing the population and giving everyone a unique number, possibly even implementing the computer chip implants to monitor behavior and for tracking purposes. The nation could become completely controlled by video cameras and surveillance, requiring the population to obtain permission for nearly all travel and personal activities. All of this while maintaining and fostering the Islamic religion and it's anti-western and anti-Jewish ideals.

God Bless you,
David A. Brown



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